Torchwood Finale

[kat_lair]

I wanted to do this last night, but had already turned the computer off. However, the delay has not dampened my utter and heartfelt GLEE.

Torchwood Finale was... AWESOME! and  SO HOT!

I can't remember the last time I was so riveted. I sat in attention the whole hour and half, with my jaw literally hanging open. After each scene I thought 'this is surely it, they can't top this' and THEN THEY DID!

The plot! With the creepy Billis who was so obviously evil you'de need to be blind (or work for Torchwood) not to see it. And Tosh being Japanese and yes omg, not popular in 1941 England. And writing equations with her own blood!"

Jack! And the original Jack. And the subtle desperate yearning looks and I was dying. And dancing *cries* I worried so for the original Jack who will get gay-bashed the second the camera panned away, but maybe it was worth it because HOW HOT WAS THAT KISS? I almost spontaneously combusted on the spot!

And Owen! Owen and Ianto (is it wrong that I wanted them to have angry sex?). And Ianto's "Jack needs me". Gwen's scene over Rhys's death was so realistic it hurt, I was bawling like a baby. Owen shooting Jack and then the ending with the tears and the hugs and why the fuck was the Ianto/Jack kiss cut so quickly? Also: Ianto's Brokeback moment with Jack's jacket! *weeps from the slashiness*

THE DEVIL!!! (was that the same devil from DW?). Jack on his knees, screaming! And he died, twice! And then came back, twice. And the FINAL SCENE OMG SQUEE! "Who would have persuaded you?" "The right kind of Doctor." aaaaahhh! People have wanted that to happen so bad but no one believed the ywould actually do it, but THEY DID! When the severed hand started twitching I was all "No Way!" And then we could hear the Tardis sound and I was vibrating with excitement so hard I fell of the sofa (literally) and AAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

WHEN IS THE NEXT SERIES??? Did the devil suck all the extra lives out of Jack? Can he die for real now? Was that really the Doctor? Will Jack beg to stay with him? What makes him not to, in the end? Will Gwen and Rhys make it? Is there any hope for Owen? Is Jack really shagging Ianto? Will Tosh get more action scenes where she can look gorgeous and incredibly well-dressed. Will they ever have a Torchwood orgy with alien sex-pollen? I NEED TO KNOW!

Comments

[ihavecake.livejournal.com]

Hmm, sounds like the theory my mother and I concocted is not confirmed. Maybe it will be next series... I can't tell you what it is because if we've got it right, then OMG HUGE SPOILER.

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

but, but... You must tell me! It's not really a spoiler, more like speculation. Besides, this way, if it comes true, I can like provide supporting statements when you claimed that ha ha, you knew it all along

[ihavecake.livejournal.com]

Ok, but I'm going to put a massive gap then write it in tiny white letters so no-one sees it if they don't want to....










We reckon Jack is The Doctor's son. Seems like the kind of stupid soap-opera Russel T. Melodrama would go for.

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

*blinks* that's... Both evil and genius. Also scarily plausible. If this happens, I will _{be sad because a lot of porn will become even more kinky} tell everyone that my friend and her mum figured it out first!

[ihavecake.livejournal.com]

Heh, well I did warn you :P

[oz-the-bobble.livejournal.com]

Jack probably did end up in the TARDIS... He's in the next series of Dr Who for a bit anyway!

AND OH THE KISS. *is watching it on repeat on youtube*

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

Heh, yeah. I'm more intrigues how they're going to handle that he's obviously not going to stay with the Doctor (and I badly want a scene where Jack all but begs to stay, but Doctor leaves him again... probably for his own good or something but omg the heart-break) and why that is.

I melted like ice-cream on a hot summer's day upon witnessing the kiss. They playd the tension and the yearning really well too. Though, I was convinced our Jack was being deliberately obtuse, because only "Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name" written across the original Jack's forehead would've been more obvious.

[enchantersnight.livejournal.com]

Agree with everything you have written, see my journal for own incoherent thoughts :)

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

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Er. Yes. Excited.

[pushkin666.livejournal.com]

you fell off the sofa - snickers... Sorry, that's so funny. Absolutely brilliant episode, although I've disliked Gwen for quite a while and last night, she really really got on my nerves. Why did they have to have her waking Jack up with a kiss - why couldn't it be Ianto. The bit where Ianto smells Jack's coat, that was heart-wrenching. It's quite sad though because it seems pretty clear that Ianto cares more for Jack than Jack does for Ianto.

Oh, yeah and the original Jack Harkness. Sigh.

One thing though - in some respects it seemed a bit like Buffy - ie the visions being sent by Abaddon - very like the visions from the First Evil. And the guy who played Billis reminded me in many ways of Joel Grey and his character in Buffy, the one that worshipped Glorificus.

Fantastic episodes though. I'm interested to know who's keeping Jack there.

Also, for a top secret hush hush organisation a hell of a lot of people seem to know about TOrchwood. *g*.

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

Yes, I sort of slid onto my knees ala Jack whilst his life was sucked out by the big bad, I mean there were arms thrown wide and hihg-pitched noises and everything. Luckily I was on my own, though the neighbours may have been praying for my soul again.

The bit where Ianto smells Jack's coat, that was heart-wrenching. It's quite sad though because it seems pretty clear that Ianto cares more for Jack than Jack does for Ianto. As soon as he took the coat I was pointing at the telly going "sniff it man, sniff it!" And yes, I believe our Ianto has some very conflicting and unhealthy feelings toward Jack.

I got the similarity to the Buffy (what with all the loved ones coming in visions) but by that time I was too far gone to care. Honestly, I think it requires at least five watching before Igain anything resembling a critical distance to this.

The thing is, I don't think there is anyone at the moment who's keeping Jack there. I believe he would leave it all (yes, even Ianto, please nobody hit me with a shovel) in a heartbeat for an opportunity to be united with the Doctor (and Rose, who he obviously doesn't know about). It's clearly not going to happen, at least not in the long-term, and this has lots of potential for angst.

[pushkin666.livejournal.com]

I wonder if he knows if Rose is gone. Would she have been on the list of missing/dead from Torchwood 1? And of course, he doesn't know what Tennant's doctor looks like.

I do hope BBC3 repeat Torchwood soon. I need to see episode 8 for the stopwatch scene, as this is the episode I haven't seen.

Are you sure you were self-combusting *g*

[pushkin666.livejournal.com]

weren't, weren't. Christ can't type.

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

the possibilies are all intriguing. And I don't feel quite solid in my current form, so it is entirely possible that I did explode in a shower of squee-filled lust and am in fact manipulating the keyboard through the power of my free-floating mind.

[pushkin666.livejournal.com]

I must admit I was going into to bounce mode, and to stop myself because of the highly amused looks from the other half! I'm looking forward to when I can watch it again, on my own.

[lolabobs.livejournal.com]

And the guy who played Billis reminded me in many ways of Joel Grey and his character in Buffy, the one that worshipped Glorificus.

yes! Completely 100%. I said this (somewhere in the midst of the squeeing!) last night - almost a carbon copy.

[pushkin666.livejournal.com]

yep, and his eyes would occasionally go black, like Joel Grey's character. He was as creepy as well.

[zeitheist.livejournal.com]

With the creepy Billis who was so obviously evil you'de need to be blind (or work for Torchwood) not to see it.
I only worked out at the very end who he reminded me of, and why I found him so skeevy: Senator Palpatine from Star Wars. THE VOICE! IT IS UNCANNY!

I worried so for the original Jack who will get gay-bashed the second the camera panned away, but maybe it was worth it because HOW HOT WAS THAT KISS?
I had to watch thier dancing scene from between my hands, because a) so hot omg, and b) IN THE MIDDLE OF A WW2 DANCEFLOOR, not a good idea!!

Did the devil suck all the extra lives out of Jack? Can he die for real now? Was that really the Doctor? Will Jack beg to stay with him? What makes him not to, in the end? Will Gwen and Rhys make it? Is there any hope for Owen? Is Jack really shagging Ianto? Will Tosh get more action scenes where she can look gorgeous and incredibly well-dressed. Will they ever have a Torchwood orgy with alien sex-pollen?
In this order: I hope not, I hope not, I hope so, I hope not, Ianto, I hope so, I hope he dies, YES OMG, I hope so, and nngggh (but ew, Owen!sex).

(apologies for the CAPSLOCK OMG)

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

Senator Palpatine from Star Wars. omg yes! Thank you! This bothered me throughout, I knew he reminded me of someone.

I ahd the excat sam reaction to the dancing-scene. It was sweet beyond words, but I was expecting the audience to lynch them any minute (and realistically, in 1941, at a dance full of military, they would've been).

Owen doesn't really do it for me, but I had to confess of fully expecting him and Ianto to solve their 'who's in charge' argument simply by whipping their cocks out and seeing who's got the bigger equipment. Would've been far better than the whole shooting thing. Equally messy though. *smacks self for being a perv* And of course Owen beraking down on Jack's arms was just lovely.

[zeitheist.livejournal.com]

I ahd the excat sam reaction to the dancing-scene. It was sweet beyond words, but I was expecting the audience to lynch them any minute (and realistically, in 1941, at a dance full of military, they would've been).
I was waiting for that soldier who punched Jack to suddenly get himself involved, especially based on his reaction when Jack said "you could dance with me". Gosh, I was really worried for the real Capt. Jack (although a part of me thinks: "well, if he's going to be ostracised for the rest of his life, at least there isn't much of it left".)

I just think Owen needs to be punched in the face, or something - and what was with him being second in command whilst Jack was gone? Did Jack not think to give that job to somebody more sensible, less suicidal? Meh. (also, now I think about that fight between Owen and Ianto: is it just me, or does Ianto's voice change really dramatically in stressful situations? It goes all rough and throaty, and... mmmn *daydream*).

p.s. have you read the latest casting spoiler for Heroes? aka "the spoiler that is just another reason for me to watch this show"?

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

I was really worried for the real Capt. Jack oh me too. Doing it in the middle of dancefloor was sweet and life-affirming, but part of me wishes they'd gone somewhere more private...

I thought Gwen was second in command, after all she effectively took over Suzie's position. And no, it's not just you. I bet his voice gets all lust-thick and raspy when... *eyes glaze*

_{omg i haven't gimme! also, you do realise you're following spoilers for a show, you're not even watching? not that i'm judging you or anything, just saying...}

[zeitheist.livejournal.com]

thought Gwen was second in command, after all she effectively took over Suzie's position.
Me too! and yet, Owen was pulling all this "I'M IN CHARGE NOW!" crap on Ianto. I think Torchwood needs to start giving its employees psych evaluations before giving them any kind of responsibility, honestly.

And no, it's not just you. I bet his voice gets all lust-thick and raspy when... *eyes glaze*
Ngggggh! *eyes cross*

omg i haven't gimme! also, you do realise you're following spoilers for a show, you're not even watching? not that i'm judging you or anything, just saying...
Oh, I always do that. I can go into a show knowing the whole storyline, and who my favourite character will be. Anyway, I'll make the spoilers white so that they don't spoil anyone: Christopher Eccleston is signed up to play an invisible British man named Claude, who will apparantly be introduced in episode 1x12 and become Peter Petrelli's mentor/friend.

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

_*combusts*

[entangled-now.livejournal.com]

Yes, I agree, Bilis could have had his own entry under 'caution evil genius' in the dictionary and should have been under no circumstances trusted!

I loved that dancing scene, and Jack vs Jack is a whole world of hot awesomeness. Though I had so many images of that WW2 audience spilling drinks on their shoes and standing around with huge wide eyes, and then girls smacking their beau's and protesting 'you never dance with me like that!'

Gwen distraught was fabulous, Jack being emptied like a sieve was all sorts of angst, and the staying dead forever 'oh my god.'

Then obviously there's tardis noise, and everyone in the audience is dead from an overdose of dramatic guh-ness!

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

girls smacking their beau's and protesting 'you never dance with me like that!' Had my "beau" been within smacking distance, that's exactly what I would've done *gg*

I haven't been to oenamoured with Gwen but the scene where she finds Rhys stabbed... Really powerful and realistic I thought.

And Jack on his knees, screaming as life is bleached out of him... Is it wrong that I found that sort of hot?

I certainl collapsed on the floor after the final scene in a completely undignified and boneless manner. I wanted to jump and squee but there was no one there!!! Adn the computer was shut and I had to go to bed because this morning I had to go to work early and and and *in compensating hard atm*

[sugaration.livejournal.com]

My squee cup, it runneth over.

Also: TARDIS!!!

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

Mine spilled all its contents, then rolled to the floor and split in the middle like a ripe peach.

Also: TARDIS!!! = ANGST = YAY

[inkblot-fiend.livejournal.com]

Oh, the dancefloor... with the music, and the light, and the dancing... and yes, the HOT. Thankfully my dad retreated to play music so I could squee unimpeded at the sheer beauty of their brief romance.

The whole Owen/Ianto scene was just fantastic. Owen kicks Ianto, insults him, acts like a fool and is then shot by Ianto. I cheered at the last part. Ianto looks really quite hot with a gun. And in the waistcoat. And just in general.

WHEN IS THE NEXT SERIES??? - too far away! I too want to know what will make Jack go back to Torchwood... It's like "how will Rose leave the Doctor?" all over again. And going to be just as traumatic, I'm sure.

I loved the Torchwood error message - "Blow up hub? Y/N"

(Dad: "They're all gay, aren't they? *huff* Me: *squee*)

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

hee... I was on my own wich was a double-edged sword because while I could descend into full fangirl-mode without fear of being committed, I really also wanted someone there whose arm I could grab and just point and shout 'look there, do you see the hotness?!'

And yes, Ianto looks hot doing just about anything. I find it interesting that he and Owen now actually have something in common, whereas before they didn't. I wonder if they end up bonding over lost loves once the things calm down.

I'm just sort of afraid for Jack. It'll be better if something happens that makes him want to return to Torchwood of his own free will. Because if it turns out that the Doctor simply won't let him stay, or he just gets left again... I think that would break him badly. Like "bye-by last vestiges of humanity" badly.

And I love the fact that all the main characters seem to be more or less bisexual. Firstly because they don't make a big deal about it and that's as it should be. It's about the person, not the gender anyway. Secondly, bacause it increases the potential for hot couples in canon as well as fanon. And this has been witnessed by hot kissing/sex scenes of all variety. *is shallow*

[inkblot-fiend.livejournal.com]

*is shallow also*

But yeah, I like that it's not a Big Thing, it's just life. And I like Owen better now he has some serious angst and isn't just an arrogant prat. Ianto and Owen bonding... that would actually be very interesting.

Maybe Jack will find out his Higher Purpose and be forced to choose between where he is needed (Torchwood) and where he wants to be. It better be good, though. And yeah, Jack on the Rampage would be a very scary thing to behold.

'look there, do you see the hotness?!' - thank God for the internet!

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

and thank God for awesome F-list who understands and tolerates my need to flail and obsessively spam them about hot m/m love.

I tend to enjoy it when a previously hard/asshole character finally breaks down (because I'm clearly a little twisted) which is why the sight of Owen crying on Jack's arm was like candy to me.

[lolabobs.livejournal.com]

yes! Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.

wasn't it just perfect! All wonderfully angsty and the woe and. oh yes.!

And I worried so for the original Jack who will get gay-bashed the second the camera panned away, yes, so did I - I thought, they'd get away with the dancing,,, maybe.. but then the kissing and the loving. But then I pacified myself with "oh it's okay, he dies anyway", then had to forgive myself for thinking that! Positively speaking - at least this way Jack (the real one!) had a moment of sublime beauty and self realisation before he died. Or something!

Gwen's scene over Rhys's death was so realistic it hurt, I was bawling like a baby. snap. And i have seen none of this show, Ihave no investment in the characters other than jack from DW itself, yet the power of this had me wailing. So intense.


why the fuck was the Ianto/Jack kiss cut so quickly? As I said, i haven't been watchingthis, so not as involved. But I loved that the Jack/Ianto kiss was 'ignored' almost. I loved the fact that it was matter of fact. It was just Jack kissing him without big fanfare of drama. Seemed to mean more to me that way.

My Mum phoned me 10 minutes from the end - I just barked at her that I would call her back and hung up! Fancy interupting that!

and the "right kind of doctor" bit, with the tardis and Jack - Oh I was soooooo excited. Laughing in glee!

your questions -yes! also: we still have Jack to realise that it's no longer Nine, plus he kissed Ianto - obv I with no knowledge of what's gone on before, but will that be what brings him back to Torchwood? Will it be self sacrificial or will it just be woe and not bonding as Ten. Oh God they have to bond as Ten!

I wish I'd watched them all now!

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

omg yes, it was almost better than sex (in fact, it was better than some of the sex I've had)

yeah, they could've played the dancing as a joke but the kiss was so achingly real that there was no room for denials after that. And he may dies soon, but man... what a last kiss!

And i have seen none of this show, Ihave no investment in the characters other than jack from DW itself, yet the power of this had me wailing. So intense. Wasn't it, so raw and realistic. That's what fresh, devastating grief is like, mindless and not pretty. Rhys is Gwen's long-term live-in boyfriend, who is just incredibly sweet and funny and understanding (and Gwen, the bitch... er. how are you about spoilers for the rest of the episodes?)

But I loved that the Jack/Ianto kiss was 'ignored' almost. I loved the fact that it was matter of fact. It was just Jack kissing him without big fanfare of drama. Seemed to mean more to me that way. Yes, in that way it was truly lovely and understated. But the shallow, horny fangirl in me wanted to see more, just a few seconds more.

and the "right kind of doctor" bit, with the tardis and Jack - Oh I was soooooo excited. Laughing in glee! Yes, I was flapping like a wounded goose, squealing loudly enough to scare stray cats on two-mile radius.

we still have Jack to realise that it's no longer Nine, plus he kissed Ianto - obv I with no knowledge of what's gone on before, but will that be what brings him back to Torchwood? Will it be self sacrificial or will it just be woe and not bonding as Ten. Oh God they have to bond as Ten!
I have no words for how much I'm looking forward to Ten/Jack interaction. And whether Jack knows about Rose or not... or will Ten have to tell him (my throat seizes up from just thinking about that scene). LOts of people think it will be Ianto who brings him back but... see above on my answer to pushkin666 I don't know, it's going to be hard regradless, we all know he won't stay with the Doctor.

I'm sure there'll be repeats!

[lolabobs.livejournal.com]

I wrote a big lucid answer and lj ate it! poo.

I said (in gist!) that as I haven't been watching, and can't guarantee to catch the back episodes I have no qualms over retro spoilers - and would probably find them helpful for the new series of Dr.Who

I then got very excited as an idea popped up! I thought at first that maybe Jack would leave the doctor because he would realise that He would never be able to give him his whole heart (Iknow, Iknow he has two.) But then..

I think, what if they reunite, and it's as beautiful and powerful and intense as we all wish it - and it's going to be wonderful, and they need never be alone again - then they realise that the shadow death monster thing from last night took all of Jack's eternity thingie away - (there could be a near death experience, some h/c maybe and some lovely comfort snuggling!) - and as they realise Jack's mortality, they see the eternity snatched away. Jack walks away now to spare the doctor the pain of loving him and seeing him die and age. oh, the farewell could knock Rose's goodbye into a cocked hat!


(oh and then, Ianto would look after Jack, who'd be bitter and sad and very isolated for a while, and could woo him. And they'd do the do, but Jack would say that he can't be his, 'cos he'll always love the doctor - and Ianto will say that he doesn't mind and he can love enough for two. Oh and Jack would hold him and kiss him and say "maybe that's enough" (and this can be right at the end of the next series or something) and they'd have one night together, but then Jack would wipe Ianto's memories and release him from Torchwood.


Sorry, but carried away - good job I don't actually watch the show isn't it!

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

retro spoiler then: Gwen's been an absolute bitch to Rhys. She cheated on him. With Owen/ Then confessed it to Rhys. Only to slip him an amnesia pill (yes, of course Torchwood has those) straight after, so basically it was just to make herself feel better.

I don't think Jack is opposed to sharing someone's heart(s) perse, as long as he's in the group (9/Rose/Jacl OT3 for the WIN). I really like your idea of it being Jack who leaves the Doctor for his own good (cue Doctor angst of extreme).

And your scenario with Ianto sounds (sadly) more plausible than a complete 'happy-ever-after'. However, and you obviously didn't know this, Ianto's feelings for Jack are everything but clear. In an early episode it turned out that Ianto was hiding his half-human, half-cyberwoman girldfriend in the cellar, trying everything in his power to fix her and make her fully human again. Of course it all went wrong as she went on a killing rampage, resulting in lot of guns being pointed in all directions (Jack and Inato threatening to kill each other in turn) and Jack killing her in the end. So. ANGST. And darkness and bitter, broken Ianto, who is all smooth and polite on the surface but...

And once the reruns hit the screen you totally will watch the show. And there's always dvds...

[elvinborn.livejournal.com]

Jack got lovely kissing in this week!! I was glad when he finally did get to make out with himself real Jack. And then with the Ianto kiss of welcome back! so much with the yay.

And the Doctor and Jack seem to have taken the Hand with them! Because having an extra hand around is always helpful...?

OMG Gwen's reaction to Rhys dying broke me. I like Rhys well enough, and I think GWen probably does love him, but I don't think she even remotely respects him. And to see her just fall apart like that was painful. Almost as touching as Ianto clutching and burying his head in Jack's coat.

[kat-lair.livejournal.com]

It was all angsty and highly emotional and so, so pretty!

Because having an extra hand around is always helpful...? you know that there is an entire community dedicated to Jack... and the Hand. As in Jack/Hand. As is i'veneversetfootinsideitdespitemymorbidcuriosity. Uh.

Gwen/Rhys has grown on me a lot. It's nice to see a somewhat realistic protrayal of a long-term relationship (excluding the whole cheating thing) especially in light of one partner having a job they can't relly talk about. There are couples everywhere who can relate to this a lot.

Ianto's Brokeback Moment was quite touching. I though it was nicely in character because Ianto would break down in private, not in front of others.