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kat_lair ([personal profile] kat_lair) wrote2009-11-29 12:26 pm

DVD Commentary on Cinderella, she seems so easy

Another answer to the DVD Commentary Meme. [livejournal.com profile] desfinado picked a paragraph from Cinderella, she seems so easy. Please note that it’s the beginning of the sex scene, so consider the following NC-17.

DVD Commentary on Cinderella, she seems so easy


Well first of all, I’m going to have to talk about how blown away I was by the reaction to that fic. The whole thing started almost as a dare, [livejournal.com profile] pushkin666 saying “lol, cross-dressing waycest, you should write it!” and me going “ahahaha in your dreams” only to find myself writing it anyway (no seriously, I don’t know how she does it, I think she has like a voodoo doll of me or something, it’s a little disturbing...). The whole thing went from “omg I can’t believe I’m doing this” to “wtf now there are feelings” to “hey, this could actually work...”

And for the record, I am still somewhat in denial that I wrote real person incest. With cross-dressing. But it’s okay, [livejournal.com profile] trialia keeps bringing it up gleefully and loudly. In a restaurant. True story, can’t take her anywhere.

Anyway. I was under the impression that Gerard/Mikey was very much a niche pairing and frowned upon much more than say wincest. Needless to say, I was pleased none of my flist de-friended me in a huff, and hugely surprised and gratified by the positive reception from the waycest-loving part of the fandom.

Okay, after all that waffle (an essential part of most DVD commentaries I’ve heard), lets move on to the actual paragraph [livejournal.com profile] desfinado picked. This is from the start of the sex-scene, when Mikey and Gerard have just returned from Frank’s party and are standing in the kitchen. If you’re reading this DVD commentary, I’m going to assume you’ve read the fic, so I’m not going to recap the whole thing to you.


“Mikey,” Gerard says again, his voice gruff. There’s no mistaking the look on his face, the intense burn of his eyes.

Mikey feels his erection shift against the silk of his panties and can’t help the little gasp and involuntary stutter of his hips. He’s been half-hard since Gerard grabbed his arm at the party and manhandled him into the car, probably earlier.

“I wore these for you,” he says, pulling the dress up just enough to reveal the barest glimpse of skin and stocking holders. His hand travels slowly upwards, over the slim line of his thigh, sharp jut of hip, waist, chest, fingers deliberately dragging over the nipple.



Eroticization of female clothing on male body, and the resulting androgynous sexuality, was a big theme on this fic. The whole story centred on Mikey’s accidental, and then deliberate experimenting with cross-dressing. But it was also important for me to show that the kink was simply a catalyst, not the reason why these two crossed the line, and hopefully some of that came across elsewhere in the fic.


“The dress too, Gerard. Do you like it? Do you want—?” His wandering fingers reach his own face, fluttering like moths over the powdered cheeks, past the waxy thickness of lipstick. Mikey doesn’t think or hesitate, just pushes two of his fingers right into his mouth, all the way up to the second knuckle, and sucks, moaning obscenely around them.


The big thing was how to handle Mikey. He is so non-confrontational. His whole plan is very passive. He simply puts himself out there (in pretty girly clothes), on offer. At no point does he actively push Gerard into anything. He doesn’t say anything, he doesn’t touch. Even now, when they are both clear where this is heading, Mikey doesn’t touch Gerard, but instead he touches himself. Perhaps like he would want Gerard to do, to show him how much he wants it.

And oh but does he. Mikey, once he’s brought to this point, is one needy little slut. If this hadn’t been their first time, things might have taken a different turn...

[“Stop touching yourself,” Gerard commands. “Hands behind your back.”
Mikey is quick to obey, moaning at the loss of any stimulation. His body is rigid with tension, thrumming with the need for touch.
“Stay still.” Gerard waits until even the restless, mostly unconscious stutter of Mikey’s hips ceases. “What makes you think you can touch what’s mine?” he asks.
Mikey’s breath hitches in desperation. When Gerard gets like this he’s liable to stretch things out, just to teach Mikey a lesson, keep him on the edge for hours, naked and begging to come. ]


And then that would’ve finished with Mikey rubbing himself off on Gerard’s boots, still dressed in his silky panties and hands tied behind his back... Um, or something like that... So hey, lollipop for everyone who guessed that control is a big fucking kink for me. :D


Gerard snaps, uncoiling from the doorway with a speed that’s startling. “Fuck! You fucking little tease.” He fists Mikey’s hair, yanking his head close until he can feel Gerard’s breath, hot against his skin.

Mikey stumbles, eyes watering from the sudden sting. His hands reach out automatically, curling around Gerard’s arms and holding on, trying to find his balance.

But Gerard doesn’t give him the opportunity. He pushes Mikey backwards, crowding him against the kitchen table until the hard edge is pressing into the back of his thighs. Mikey goes with it, hitching himself up while Gerard shoves his legs apart and presses between them, one hand still in Mikey’s hair, the other gripping his knee.



Apparently, (so I’ve been told) I was writing myself instead of Gerard here. (TMI? *sheepish shrug*) But yeah, bringing in Gerard’s thoughts and feelings without actually switching point of views, was one of the challenges of the fic. It was important to show the effect Mikey’s little passive-aggressive floor show was having on him. Mikey may not have been pushing per se but as hard as he’d tried to make Gerard react, Gerard had been struggling not to react. And while Gerard may have a lot of patience and understanding, when it runs out, it runs out rather spectacularly. Like an elastic band that’s been stretched thinner and thinner, once it snaps, it’s going to give you a hell of a sting. And come to think of it, that rather describes me as well... Mental note: stop writing yourself into these things.


“I’m done,” he says, teeth grazing Mikey’s earlobe. “You’re going to have to stop this, because I won’t. Not anymore.”



And finally this was my way of including consent. Gerard is done holding back, being responsible. This is him very plainly saying to Mikey that it is up to him now. That only thing making Gerard stop would be Mikey telling him to. And, as we see in the scene that follows, it efficiently forces Mikey, for the first time, to actively acknowledge and ask for what it is that he wants. And beyond the consent issue, that is something that I find very important within a d/s dynamic.

Anyway. That’s it, end of the commentary. Hope you enjoyed reading. I have one more to do and I’ll try to get to that sometime over the next week.

[identity profile] pushkin666.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
*fans self* And yes I am a total enabler :D



[identity profile] kat-lair.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I am a total enabler - sure... that's one word for it.

[identity profile] pushkin666.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL. I'm absolutely sure that enabler is the right word :-)

[identity profile] kat-lair.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed. It's just not the only word that applies.

[identity profile] pushkin666.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Blinks ... Very true.

[identity profile] oikkuni.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)
And then that would’ve finished with Mikey rubbing himself off on Gerard’s boots, still dressed in his silky panties and hands tied behind his back...

oh my god. you just ruined my church choir debut pre-performance calm. haha. ;_____;

[identity profile] kat-lair.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
AHAHAHAHAHAHA, I'm not even sorry! Um, happy church choir singing? *uses appropriate icon*

[identity profile] snuffkin.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
And then that would’ve finished with Mikey rubbing himself off on Gerard’s boots, still dressed in his silky panties and hands tied behind his back

You can't just put stuff like that in commentaries! How am I supposed to concentrate on the rest of what you are saying ?

[identity profile] kat-lair.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
*eg* There wasn't anything that interesting in the rest of the commentary anyway, just enjoy the mental images...

[identity profile] desfinado.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Wooo, more opportunities to obsess over this fic!

The big thing was how to handle Mikey. He is so non-confrontational. His whole plan is very passive. This really illuminates a lot for me... I already got the sense of this being accidental-to-intentional in many ways, at least with the cross-dressing, and then with the whole history of Mikey's attraction to Gerard - but an attraction that he had not pursuing before, not pushing in any way. I love that the whole story is Mikey making something happen without actually touching Gerard or saying anything too forward; and then Gerard, coiling tight, snapping, the end of his patience - which is so sexy when inserted into a brother dynamic. I didn't realize it was a consent thing too, you did that in such a smooth way, but I see it now and how it contributed to making the whole thing feel right (while being so wrong).

Thanks again for doing this! :)

[identity profile] desfinado.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
And it makes so much sense that Gerard was a channeling of yourself, because you wrote him so well despite not actually being able to switch to his POV. His expressions and body language broadcast his feelings loud and clear. As someone who would very much write herself into the role Mikey takes, I can appreciate this so so much :D

[identity profile] kat-lair.livejournal.com 2009-11-29 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Obsession is flattering...

this being accidental-to-intentional in many ways - I think I might have already been talking about this in a comment somewhere, but this is how many relationships and kinks start, accidentally. Rarely do we systematically go through people or things to find out which ones we really like. Usually we stumble across these things accidentally and unexpectedly... And once Mikey had done that it made sense for him to experiment with that, but in a way that was as low risk as possible. Again it's pretty similar for how people usually gauge if someone is interested; by accidentally-on-purpose creating situations where something could happen, by putting up signs that say 'notice me i'm available'.

it makes so much sense that Gerard was a channeling of yourself, because you wrote him so well - wow, thank you very much! It wasn't a conscious decision to do it, only afterwards it was pointed out to me and I was all '...okay yeah, there might be something to that... oops?'

Heh, and out of curiosity, were you channelling yourself into Mikey in 'Before and After' then?

[identity profile] desfinado.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, absolutely - accidental beginnings are something I realize I really enjoy reading and writing in fic, as it's a reflection of how a lot of us come by things! And it's certainly not a bad thing to draw from your own experiences to enhance a character... I was definitely channeling Gerard in my fic, someone who won't shut up in a room full of people but who likes to totally give over control behind closed doors. Thanks again for taking up this commentary thing!

[identity profile] kat-lair.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I was definitely channeling Gerard in my fic, someone who won't shut up in a room full of people but who likes to totally give over control behind closed doors. - Don't take this the wrong way, but this didn't surprise me at all... :)

And no worries, I enjoy talking about my writing, glad you found it interesting.

[identity profile] desfinado.livejournal.com 2009-12-01 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
I could never take that the wrong way! Where else can I totally embrace (and explore) who I am than here? Thanks again for the commentary. :D

[identity profile] kat-lair.livejournal.com 2009-12-01 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah LJ, safe-space for the kinky ppl :D